we start at Bills, a place we missed on all our crawls because only open a couple days a week and only till 4 . Very famous....yelp.com/biz/bills-hamburgers-van-nuys. Then after that, we go to nearby gino s east, the famous chicago pizza place yelp.com/biz/gino-s-east-sherman-oaks-2. So, we can go str there for early dinner, at 4 30 after bills, OR dilly dally ( foot massage or whatnot) and have a 6 or 630 pm din. Im ez so you can input